Ralph Martin and Scott Hahn have decided that they will continue to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise instead of without it.So they will change the understanding of the Athanasius Creed, Nicene Creed, Catechism of Catholic Church, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc. They will continue to project themselves as liberals in their talks, books and conferences

 Ralph Martin and Scott Hahn have decided that they will continue to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise  instead of without it.So they will change the understanding of the Athanasius Creed, Nicene Creed, Catechism of Catholic Church, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc. They will continue to project themselves as liberals in their talks, books and conferences. -Lionel Andrades