Kimberly Hahn (née Kirk; born 1957) is a Catholic apologist and author, and member of the Steubenville City Council. She is married to apologist and author Scott Hahn....On November 3, 2015, Hahn was elected to the Steubenville City Council as Councilwoman-at-Large, winning with 56% of the vote citywide.[2] She sits on the Service, Planning, Transportation and Economic Development Committees of Council.-Wikipedia
Since Kimberly and Scott Hahn accept Vatican Council II interpreted with the fake premise they would have to also accept the separation of Church and State. The two are connected.
So if Kimberly and Scott Hahn accepted Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise they would be affirming the strict interpretation of outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation, like the Apostles and the Church Fathers.Then for them the Church and State would not be separated since all would need to be Catholic in the only true religion, to go to Heaven. This is objective reality
With Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise there are false exceptions created for the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and the past exclusivist theology.
So since there is alleged known salvation outside the Catholic Church, non Catholics saved without the baptism of water in 1965-2021 and who are now in Heaven, not every one needs to be a member of the Church is the conclusion. Not every one needs to be a' card carrying' member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell today is the common reason based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.
Since the Church no more teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation because of the alleged practical exceptions, traditional Mission is now meaningless. Also there is no need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics, as explained in Quas Primas by Pope Pius XI.People are being saved in other religions so why should the Government be Catholic? The Church and State could be separated for the common good.
This is the secular reasoning which is supported by Pope Benedict. He wrote a book presented before the Italian Senate based upon Vatican Council II having exceptions to EENS and the past exclusivism of the Church.So the expected the conclusion is that Church and State are separated.
But if LG 8, LG 16, UR 3 etc refer to only theoretical and speculative cases in 1965-2021 then they are not objective exceptions to EENS. There is nothing in the Council-text to contradict the past ecumenism of return and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX or the Catechism of the Catholic Church of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27 Q).
So to save souls from going to Hell the priority would be the non separation of the Catholic Church and the State and the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics. Outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation.So there would be the traditional call for Mission. All non Catholics were oriented to Hell without Catholic faith and the baptism of water, in the Catholic Church.
So I repeat, if Kimberly and Scott Hahn accepted Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise they would be affirming the strict interpretation of outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation, like the Apostles and the Church Fathers.Then for them the Church and State should not be separated since all would need to be Catholic in the only true religion, to go to Heaven. This is objective reality.-Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
The phrase “Separation of Church and State” is not even found in the Constitution. So, I think it’s a complete misapplication and a twisting of religious freedom. -Kimberly Hahn
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider accept Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise to remain within the Church. This is the only choice they have. They cannot affirm Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise and neither can they reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the false option
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
When all the cardinals and bishops interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise there is no liberalism in the Church. The traditionalist-liberal divison ends. Also collegiality is no more an issue when all the popes, cardinals and bishops have to choose only a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II which does not contradict Tradition. There is unity on doctrine and theology
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
These liberals writers are not asking Pope Francis to clarify this issue and only interpret Vatican Council II without the fake premise
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
Joe Biden , Alberto Melloni and Massimo Faggioli's interpretation of Vatican Council II is now dead
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
Pope Francis is forcing all cardinals and bishops to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to remain in good standing with the Church. Those who do not use the fake premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition would be considered to be outside the Church
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
I only know of a Vatican Council II which can be interpreted rationally and in harmony with Tradition, 'the law of God'.Why would I choose an irrational interpretation of the Council, Creed and Catechisms ? For me the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance always refer to hypothetical, theoretical and speculative cases.They exist only in our mind. So they are not practical exceptions to Tradition ( EENS, Creeds, Catechisms etc)
FEBRUARY 22, 2021
How can a Catholic in mortal sin remain a pope ? How can Pope Francis continue to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents with the objective error and continue to be the pope ? How can he impose this false interpretation of the Council, with a fake premise, upon all the cardinals and bishops ?
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
When Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II without the fake premise the conservative-liberal division ends. He cannot quote Vatican Council II to support his liberalism. The present liberalism is based upon the false interpretation of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (LOHO) which was accepted at Vatican Council II and has become the New Theology
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
When Pope Francis said everyone had to accept Vatican Council II Massimo Faggioli criticised the traditionalists : But now we know that there is a Vatican Council II without the fake premise, which he has not used most of his life, like Pope Francis
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Massimo Faggioli now knows that Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS so in his concept of Catholicism and Citizenship he must proclaim the necessity of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation for the salvation of souls
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
The books on Vatican Council II being sold by the SSPX at their centre in Albano and chapel in Rome are flawed. Books by Paolo Pasqualucci and SSPX priests and lay supporters have interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise. So an artificial rupture is created with Tradition and the Council is wrongly blamed for it
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Political Catholicism today is Catholic liberalism in harmony with the Left
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Political Catholicism interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise and so creates a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. Political Catholicism does not permit me to study Philosophy or Theology at the Legion of Christ seminary (PIMME) and university(UPRA) in Rome or the Beda Pontifical College,Rome, the seminary of the Catholic bishops conference of England and Wales.Neither is there permission for me to study at the Dominican University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Rome.Political Catholicism is supported by the European Union, for educational institutions in Italy
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Lumen Gentium 16 contradicts EENS for Bishop Athanasius Schneider but not for me
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
If LG 8 etc are not practical exceptions to EENS then there is no development of doctrine. If Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS then the Council is traditional?!
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
Vatican Council II is traditional when there is nothing in the text in the Council to contradict 16th century outside the Church there is no salvation
FEBRUARY 21, 2021
We need to interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 'the law of God'(John 3:5, Mark 16:16) and the past popes and saints. Pope Benedict's pontificate and tenure as the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was based largely on the false interpretation of Vatican Council II. It contradicted the law of God
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
The Vatican needs to check new books written on Vatican Council II, interpreted with a false premise and identify them for Catholics. The Jesuits could do the same
FEBRUARY 20, 2021
In Vatican Council II interpreted rationally the Catholic Church today teaches that outside the Church there is no salvation
FEBRUARY 19, 2021
To reject or change the meaning of the Creed is first class heresy in the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II ( Ad Tuendam Fidem) : Impediment for the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate offering Holy Mass in the basilica of Sr. Mary Majors Rome
FEBRUARY 19, 2021
If Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Augustine di Noia offered Holy Mass in Italian at the Basilica of St. Mary Majors, Rome it could be contested canonically : there is a new version of the Nicene Creed and EENS.The Athanasius Creed is rejected
FEBRUARY 19, 2021
Una Voce and the Latin Mass Societies are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise . So there is a rupture with Tradition . There is a break with the exclusivist ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass of the 16th century and the Byzantine Greek Mass of the fourth century
FEBRUARY 19, 2021
The National Catholic Reporter(NCR) is to continue to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a non traditional conclusion which could be avoided. They will also continue to mention Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray and others, as if they are relevant to the interpretation of the Council today.
FEBRUARY 18, 2021
Winters stokes the liberal-traditionalist division by using the false premise and then refers to the pre and post conciliar Church
FEBRUARY 17, 2021
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What is the National Catholic Reporter, Crux and The Tablet going to be without Vatican Council II ? They can no longer quote the Council using a false premise. The Council does not contradict Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus, an ecumenism of return and the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27Q)
FEBRUARY 17, 2021
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