All Pope Benedict's books on Vatican Council II were written with the common flaw. How can Pope Francis accept Alberto Melloni making the same mistake on Vatican Council II.The Council, knowingly being interpreted with a false premise, cannot be Magisterial.Bishop Roberto Barron and Massimo Faggioli are using the same fake premise to interpret Vatican Council II. - Lionel Andrades
APRIL 20, 2021
Almost all the TV Stations in Italy have had to interview Alberto Melloni and project his non Magisterial interpretation of Vatican Council II with the false premise
Almost all the TV Stations in Italy have had to interview Alberto Melloni and project his non Magisterial interpretation of Vatican Council II with the false premise. - Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 26, 2021
The new Italian Prime Minister Mario Dragi accepts Prof. Alberto Melloni's official interpretation of Vatican Council II which is dishonest
The new Italian Prime Minister Mario Dragi accepts Prof. Alberto Melloni's official interpretation of Vatican Council II which is dishonest.
Melloni like Dragi unethically uses a false premise to make Vatican Council II emerge as a rupture with the Italy's popes and saints over history. -Lionel Andrades
JANUARY 7, 2021
Prof.Alberto Melloni's interpretations are obsolete
Move over Prof.Alberto Melloni.Your system is antiquated, outdated. Obsolete. -Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 7, 2020
If Prof. Alberto Melloni of the Bologna School would interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise of the New Theology, the Italian Government may not continue to finance him.He would be taking the Catholic Church back to Tradition
If Prof. Alberto Melloni of the Bologna School would interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise of the New Theology, the Italian Government may not continue to finance him.He would be taking the Catholic Church back to Tradition. -Lionel Andrades
John XXIII Foundation for Religious Sciences (FSCIRE), the "Bologna School, interprets Vatican Council II with the common false premise.There is no transparency on this issue
FEBRUARY 22, 2020
The Italian government is funding Alberto Melloni's John XXIII Foundation for Religious Sciences (FSCIRE), the headquarters of the so-called "Bologna School,"1 guaranteed another yearly million-euro funding for 2020–2022.Melloni uses the irrational model to interpret Vatican Council II. It is only with a false premise, inference and conclusion that he makes the Council a rupture with Tradition. He could choose the rational premise, inference and conclusion.
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With this rational model, the Vatican, the Bologna School, Archbishop Pegro and Cardinal Matteo Zuppi , would not be contradicting the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
ATHANASIUS CREED
'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly...'
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JANUARY 3, 2020
John XXIII Foundation for Religious Sciences (FSCIRE), the "Bologna School, interprets Vatican Council II with the common false premise.There is no transparency on this issue
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With this rational model, the Vatican, the Bologna School, Archbishop Pegro and Cardinal Matteo Zuppi , would not be contradicting the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.
ATHANASIUS CREED
'Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly...'
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WEDNESDAY, JUNE 24, 2020
Pope Francis interprets the Creeds with a false premise, inference and conclusion. This was un precedented over the centuries.
Pope Francis interprets the Creeds with a false premise, inference and conclusion. This was un precedented over the centuries.
Pope Pius XII and Pope John XXIII and the following popes, interpreted extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with a false premise.Pope Paul VI and the following popes interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise.
Now Pope Francis interprets the Creeds and Vatican Council Ii with the false premise and so creates a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition on ecumenism, traditional ecclesiocentic mission, liturgy with the old exclusivist ecclesiology and traditional ecclesiology.It's a different Catholic Church now.The whole Church is following him in the error, conservatives and liberals.
Bishop Schneider, Maike Hickson and John Henry Weston continue to interpret LG 8 and UR 3 in Vatican Council II as exceptions to EENS. Bishop Bernard Fellay did this continously. He never corrected himself. He probably will go to the end of his life, with this error, like Fr.Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari.
If the popes interpret the Creeds without the false premise, like me, they would be opposed by the Jewish Left.There would be persecution.Now there is support.
The two popes do not affirm the Creeds to avoid a persecution of the Church. They have changed the faith-teachings of the Church.
So the official Profession of Faith and Oath of Office for Cardinals, Bishops, Rectors, Superiors and Parish Priests are mere words supporting heresy and dissent.
-Lionel Andrades
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La Scuola di Bologna sul Concilio Vaticano II dello storico Alberto Melloni è finanziata ogni anno dal governo di sinistra italiano quando interpreta il Concilio con una irrazionale premessa, inferenza e conclusione per respingere il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus se è stato interpretato nel papi Italiani nel corso dei secoli.
-Lionel Andrades
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MARCH 5, 2020
All the books in Italy which cite Vatican Council II, in general are in error, since the Council is interpreted with a false premise, inference and conclusion. So it is wrong for the Italian Government to annually finance the Fondazione per le scienze religiose Giovanni XXIII( Bologna School )of Alberto Melloni. He receives about a million a year it is reported.
All the books in Italy which cite Vatican Council II, in general are in error, since the Council is interpreted with a false premise, inference and conclusion. So it is wrong for the Italian Government to annually finance the Bologna School of Alberto Melloni. He receives about a million a year it is reported.
Gabriele Albonetti of the Leftist Partito Democratico is member of the Board of Trustees of Melloni's Fondazione per le scienze religiose Giovanni XXIII, also called the Bologna School.
Melloni does not affirm Vatican Council II without the false premise, for then the Council would support the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Melloni's talks on Lutheranism would then be false.His talk on Italian society today being based on Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally , is also false.His talks on the Council supporting the liberalism of Pope Francis is also false.The interpretation of Vatican Council II with the irrationality, is now obsolete.
-Lionel Andrades
http://www.fscire.it/index.php/it/
http://www.fscire.it/index.php/en/series/the-history-of-vatican-ii/
http://www.fscire.it/index.php/en/series/the-history-of-vatican-ii/
MARCH 5, 2020
All the books and articles on Vatican Council II in Italy were written with a false premise, inference and conclusion.Lionel's Blog is an exception.Salvini's Lega political party could take up this issue in the Italian Senate
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/03/all-books-and-articles-on-vatican.html
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WEDNESDAY, MARCH 4, 2020
La Scuola di Bologna sul Concilio Vaticano II dello storico Alberto Melloni è finanziata ogni anno dal governo di sinistra italiano quando interpreta il Concilio con una irrazionale premessa, inferenza e conclusione per respingere il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus se è stato interpretato nel papi Italiani nel corso dei secoli.
-Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 17, 2019
Operation Dustbin
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DECEMBER 21, 2020
Without the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II the present two popes and all the bishops become conservative Catholics, whom Bishop Robert Barron would call rad trads.Without the false premise Bishop Barron himself is in the Trad Movement, which he has been criticizing, after he interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise
Without the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II the present two popes and all the bishops become conservative Catholics, whom Bishop Robert Barron would call rad trads.Without the false premise Bishop Barron himself is in the Trad Movement, which he has been criticizing, after he interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise. -Lionel Andrades
JANUARY 29, 2020
Bishop Robert Barron interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and this would be unethical even by secular standards in California
Bishop Robert Barron interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and this would be unethical even by secular standards in California.He refers to LG 16, UR 3 etc as exceptions to the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X. There is a rupture with Tradition for him. So he implies that there are objective cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church as if he can see them on Heaven, there without faith and the baptism of water.
For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only. They can only be invisible and speculative. They are no exceptioins to the Catechism of Pope Pius X when it says the following:-
24 Q. To be saved, is it enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church?
A. No, to be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church; it is necessary to be a living member.
A. No, to be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church; it is necessary to be a living member.
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.-Catechism of Pope Pius X
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.-Catechism of Pope Pius X
But for Bishop Barron, LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, Gs 22 etc would be exceptions to 24 Q abd 27 Q of the Catechism of Pope Pius X.It would be the same for Pope Benedict and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria.
It is the same Vatican Council II before us, we both accept the Council but he interprets LG 8 etc as referring to physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church and for they are only hypothetical cases. They can only be hypothetical cases for us human beings. Always hypothetical.
So Bishop Robert Barron's reasoning is irrational and deceptive. Without the false premise and inference he cannot project Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition.
I have written about this before and e-mailed him over the years. He still continues with the deception. This is unethical even by secular standards in the USA.
There should be a moratorum on the books being published by Bishop Barron until he corrects this error.Now Bishop Barron wants the bishops to continue to maintain the irrational interpretation of the Council in the universities and on social media. He wants the mandatum to be given to only those who use a false premise and inference to interpret Vatican Council II unethically.1
Presently the Ex Corde Ecclesiae is only given to those universities which interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.-Lionel Andrades
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Bishop Barron said he believes the bishops should consider exercising their authority in the digital sphere “just as John Paul II, in Ex Corde Ecclesiae, called for the bishops to exercise greater supervision of universities operating under the aegis of the Church.”
“There are, to be blunt, a disconcerting number of such people on social media who are trading in hateful, divisive speech, often deeply at odds with the theology of the Church and who are, sadly, having a powerful impact on the people of God,” he said.
“I do think that the shepherds of the Church, those entrusted with supervising the teaching office, can and should point out when people on social media are harming the Body of Christ.”
Bishop Barron suggested that it may be time for bishops “to introduce something like a mandatum for those who claim to teach the Catholic faith online, whereby a bishop affirms that the person is teaching within the full communion of the Church.”
MAY 20, 2018
For Bishop Robert Barron Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance) refers to objectively seen non Catholics saved outside the Church.So for him and Pope Benedict the dogma EENS is obsolete and they search for substitute reasons to evangelize http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/05/bishop-robert-barron-lumen-gentium-16.html
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SATURDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2018
In the deceptive line of Placeut Deo which denied the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) by assuming hypothetical and speculative cases like Gaudium et Specs 22 and Lumen Gentium 8 were practical exceptions to EENS, Bishop Robert Barron interprets Vatican Council II as saying someone outside the Church can be saved, is saved and known to be saved.So for him a non Catholic does not have to be a member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven.
He does not tell Ben Shapiro that the Catholic Church says in Vatican Council II that he needs to enter the Church. He does not tell him that the Church says he will damned, without 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7) which is the only known way of salvation in the Catholic Church.There are no known cases in real life of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I).
Why? Why does he not tell Shapiro that the Catholic Church says he needs to convert for salvation?
1.He could have cited Ad Gentes 7 which say all need faith and baptism for salvation.
2. He could have cited the popes or the Catechism of Pope Pius X which says all need to be members of the Church for salvation.
3.He could have cited the Catechism of the Catholic Church which says the Church does not know of any means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water(CCC 1257).
4.He could have cited the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus defined by three Church Councils etc, etc...
Why did he not do it?
Since for Bishop Barron like Cardinal Luiz Ladaria a hypothetical case mentioned in Vatican Council II is an exception to the general teaching on no salvation outside the Church. This error is there in one of Bishop Barron's books.
Similarly at the Placuet Deo Press Conference when Cardinal Ladaria was asked if the Church still teaches it has an exclusiveness in salvation, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), denied it.He cited Lumen Gentium 8 which was an exception for him.This is not how I interpret Lumen Gentium 8.
Lumen Gentium 8 refers to a hypothetical case how can it be an exception ?
When Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation where is the case in 2018 of someone saved without faith and baptism ? There is no such person.
When the Catechism of Pope Pius X says all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation, where is the case of a non Catholic saved outside the Church in 2018 with 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8)? There is no such person.
So how can a hypothetical and theoretical case(LG 8) be an objective exception to all needing the baptism of water for salvation(CCC 1257) ?
A hypothetical case cannot be a practical exception to the dogma EENS.Period. Similarly the baptism of desire was never an exception to Feeneyite EENS.God made it this way. There is no baptism of desire case for us.
A hypothetical case cannot be a practical exception to the dogma EENS.Period. Similarly the baptism of desire was never an exception to Feeneyite EENS.God made it this way. There is no baptism of desire case for us.
There is no case of invincible ignorance, which is an example of salvation outside the Church. There is no such case in real life. Practically we cannot meet or see someone saved in invincible ignorance, within or outside the Catholic Church.God made it this way, just as he made it only possible for women to have babies, water to fall only downwards and men to marry only women.He chose it this way.He also chose salvation to be there in only the Catholic Church.For centuries the Holy Spirit guided the Church to say that every one needs to accept Jesus in the Catholic Church for salvation. Every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church with faith and baptism.
Bishop Barron and Cardinal Ladaria's reasoning were wrong.They both should not have cited Gaudium et Specs 22 ( good will and good conscience) as being relevant to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
Cardinal Ladaria should not have cited Gaudium et Specs 22 in the text of Placuet Deo nor pulled out Lumen Gentium 8 when responding to the question by the AP reporter, on whether the Church still had exclusive salvation for him.
The norm for salvation is 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church.It is not some hypothetical and speculative case mentioned in LG 8 and GS 22.
For Bishop Barron before Ben Shapiro the exception is someone in another religion who is saved through Jesus and the Church(CCC 846).This is the new theology of Cardinal Ratzinger based on invisible cases of the baptism of desire,baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance being visible exceptions to the dogma EENS.
This person who is theoretically saved by Jesus in another religion for Bishop Barron, becomes an exception to the dogma EENS, Ad Gentes 7, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.This was the bad reasoning of Placuet Deo addressed to all bishops.
Bishop Barron then cites Gaudium et Specs 22 and says a man with good will,as an atheist, can be saved.Once again he means a hypothetical case, a speculative case, completely unknown to any of us humans is an objective exception to the dogma EENS. It would have to be an objective person. An invisible person cannot be an exception to EENS.
This is bad philosophy i.e an invisible non Catholic is alleged to be physically visible.
It is also bad theology ( baron theology) i.e an unknown non Catholic is an example of salvation outside the Church and this invisible person contradicts the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.
Cardinal Ladaria, Bishop Robert Barron , Pope Benedict... continue to test our intelligence and get away with it.
Bishop Barron refers to an atheist of good will who follows his conscience who can be saved. Who is this atheist? Does he know someone in particular? No.
A theoretical case of an atheist makes Ad Gentes 7 in Vatican Council II irrelevant and obsolete for the liberals American bishops.This is the USCCB policy. This is how Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the new Chairman of the USCCB Doctrinal Committee interprets Vatican Council II.
So when Jesus said to go out and proclaim the Good News, this case of the atheist, would be a general exception for them.
When Jesus said those who do not believe will be condemned ( Mark 16:16) there are exceptions for the liberals in LG 8, LG14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.?
This is why Pope Benedict in March 2016( Avvenire) asked why was there a need for mission since for him the non existing exceptions of LG 8 etc in Vatican Council II are the objective norm.Similarly for Bishop Barron the theoretical and hypothetical exception is the norm for salvation and so he does not tell Shapiro that he needs to convert to avoid the fires of Hell.--Lionel Andrades
DECEMBER 22, 2018
First Things produced a naieve report on Placuet Deo
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/first-things-produced-naive-report-on.html
According to St. Thomas Aquinas whom he admires Bishop Barron would be in first class heresy
MAY 20, 2018
For Bishop Robert Barron Lumen Gentium 16( invincible ignorance) refers to objectively seen non Catholics saved outside the Church.So for him and Pope Benedict the dogma EENS is obsolete and they search for substitute reasons to evangelize http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/05/bishop-robert-barron-lumen-gentium-16.html
JUNE 7, 2018
According to St. Thomas Aquinas whom he admires Bishop Barron would be in first class heresyhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/bishop-barron-on-who-can-be-saved.html
DECEMBER 22, 2018
Bishop Robert Barron follows Placuet Deo of Cardinal Ladaria : does not tell a non Catholic he needs to convert for salvation
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/bishop-robert-barron-follows-placuet.html
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