The 21 new cardinals in September 2023 are in public heresy and schism. There is no denial from any of them. How can 18 of them be allowed to elect a new pope when they interpret Vatican Council, the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally ?

I interpret LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being hypothetical cases. The 21 new cardinals in September interpret LG 8 etc as being physically visible cases in 2023. If they were not physically visible cases for them then they would be affirming Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), like me.

It is because LG 8 etc are physically visible for them, that LG 8 etc are practical exceptions for the dogma EENS and the Athanasius Creed.This Creeds says all need Catholic Faith for salvation.

For example, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception.It is an exception  because it is different.It is also an exception because it exists there in that box. If it was not in that box it would not be an exception.

An exception must exist. It must be visible for it to be an exception.

If something is not there it cannot be an exception.

For the new cardinals the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) are exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. But there are no BOD and I.I cases in our human reality. They are invisible. If they exist they can only be known to God.

For the new cardinals LG 8, LG 14, LG 15, LG 16, NA 2, GS 22, etc, are exceptions for the dogma EENS of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215). But LG 8,14,15,16 etc are invisible cases for me. So how can they be exceptions for EENS etc?

So for me there are no exceptions for Feeneyite EENS.The new cardinals cannot say the same. So they are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and I am interpreting Vatican Council II rationally.

They are interpreting the BOD and I.I irrationally. I am interpreting them rationally.

They are creating exceptions for the Fourth Lateran Council on EENS. I am avoiding any exceptions.

They are interpreting Vatican Council II as a rupture with the past. I am choosing the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

NICENE CREED HAS TWO INTERPRETATIONS

Since they are interpreting the BOD and I.I and Vatican Council II irrationally they are also interpreting the Nicene Creed irrationally. The Nicene Creed now has two interpretations, theirs and mine.

How can a cardinal be a cardinal when he changes the interpretation of the Nicene Creed? This is first class heresy according to the hierarchy of truths (Ad Tuendem Fidem).

For me, the Nicene Creed says ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins’. It is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.

For them, it is, ‘I believe in three or more baptisms.They are the baptisms of desire, blood, ignorance etc.They exclude the baptism of water’. These baptisms are known in personal cases for them. They are physically visible. Otherwise they would not be exceptions for Feeneyite EENS.

THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE APOSTLES CREED IS HERETICAL

We also have two interpretations of the Apostles Creed. Their position is heretical.

For me, the Apostles Creed refers to the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church which says outside the Church there is no salvation. For them, the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church teaches that outside the Church there is salvation, there is known salvation. The Apostles Creed is a problem for them.

How can the 21 bishops be made cardinals? Canon Law expects them to be Catholic.

THEY REJECT THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND I ACCEPT IT

For them the Athanasius Creed has exceptions. For me, the Athanasius Creed has no exceptions. So we also have two different interpretations of the Athanasius Creed.

They have rejected the centuries-old interpretation of the Athanasius Creed.It says all need the Catholic faith for salvation.

They have rejected the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed in their original interpretation. They have rejected the centuries-old interpretation.This is bad enough. However there are also two versions of the Catechisms for them.

CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X IS NOT CONTRADICTORY FOR ME

For me the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q, 27Q) says other religions are not paths to salvation.While 29 Q (invincible ignorance) does not contradict24 Q and 29 Q . Neither does 29 Q contradict the dogma EENS. For them visible cases of being saved in invincible ignorance, contradict EENS. They are exceptions for 24 Q and 27Q (other religions are not paths to salvation). So for them 29 Q contradict 24 Q and 27 Q.

For me, invisible and hypothetical cases of being saved in invincible ignorance (CCC 847-848) are not exceptions for CCC 846 (Outside the Church there is no salvation) CCC 846 supports Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14. For them, it is the opposite. There are exceptions. Invisible people are visible.

The new cardinals do not accept the Creeds and Catechisms. They reject the Fourth Lateran Council and the Council of Florence on EENS. They interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church irrationally. They are non traditional while I interpret them rationally and traditionally as a Catholic.

They don’t deny what I write here and have written many times before on this blog EucharistandMission (Lionel's blog).

REINTERPRETATION OF THE CREEDS MEAN AUTOMATIC EXCOMMUNICATION

They are re-interpreting the Creeds and so are automatically excommunicated. This is a mortal sin of faith.

NO DENIAL FROM ARCHBISHOP VICTOR FERNANDEZ

There is no denial from Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez, the new Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF-formerly CDF) and one of the 21 to be appointed a cardinal in September 2023.

He does not say that he affirms Feeneyite EENS. He does not say that the BOD and I.I refer to hypothetical and non objective cases only in 2023. There is no clarification from him.

He does not say that he interprets LG 8, 14,15 and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as being only hypothetical cases, in 1965-2023.So they are not examples of salvation outside the Church. They do not contradict the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

He does not say that he interprets CCC 847-848 (invincible ignorance) rationally and so CCC 847-848 does not contradict Ad Gentes.It says all need faith and baptism for salvation. Ad Gentes 7 supports the dogma EENS while LG 8,14,15,16 etc are not practical exceptions for AG 7 or EENS.

How can he be appointed a cardinal?

How can 18 of the 21 new cardinals be allowed to elect a pope?

They are in heresy for changing the interpretation of the Creeds. They are in schism with the Magisterium of, for example, the 16^th century.

This is a scandal. It is an impediment for offering Holy Mass according to Canon Law.

Fernandez is interpreting Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally, in public. He wants all new vocations to the religious life to accept polygamy, LGBT-sex, women priests, the ordination of married men and a fake new ecumenism - all  based upon the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, EENS etc.

Why are the other cardinals allowing this? They must affirm the Creeds, Councils, Catechisms and Vatican Council II in public.

The cardinals throughout the world must not elect a pope who does not affirm Magisterial Documents (Creeds, Councils, Catechisms etc) rationally.

No one knows from where Fernandez is really coming.

The cardinals must sign a joint petition based upon the points mentioned above and send it to Pope Francis.

They must also send it to the Signatura, the Supreme Tribunal at the Vatican. They must ask the Vatican Judiciary to affirm the Catholic Faith. Cardinal Angelo Becciu could also make this demand.He could appeal to the ecclesiastical judiciary, to come back to the Catholic Faith. They, like Canon Lawyers and Canon Law Associations,  also interpret Vatican Council II etc, irrationally. It is the same with the Catholic judges in the secular judiciary in Italy. 

The 21 new cardinals in September 2023 are in public heresy and schism. There is no denial from any of them. How can 18 of them be allowed to elect a new pope, when they interpret Vatican Council, the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally ?    -Lionel Andrades

JULY 29, 2023

There are two important discoveries the cardinals must note before the Synod in October and the ordination of 21 cardinals in September

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/07/there-are-two-important-discoveries.html

JULY 29, 2023

Rorate Caeili and Roberto dei Mattei have posted another report in which they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/07/rorate-caeili-and-roberto-dei-mattei.html

 JULY 29, 2023

When Archbishop Carlo Vigano says Vatican Council II should be scrapped, he pleases the liberals. Since he is projecting Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition. He is a Cushingite. He is choosing the Irrational Premise (invisible people are visible) and Irrational Inference (invisible cases of LG 16 etc are visible exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus). So his conclusion is nontraditional (Vatican Council II is a rupture and not a continuity with Tradition).

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/07/when-archbishop-carlo-vigano-says.html

JULY 28, 2023

Things have changed in the Church. You can know more tell me that you justify your liberalism with Vatican Council, since I can justify my orthodoxy, also with Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/07/things-have-changed-in-church-you-can.html

TALKS ON VATICAN COUNCIL II BEING IN HARMONY WITH TRADITION AND THERE BEING TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE COUNCIL, ONE IS RATIONAL AND THE OTHER IS IRRATIONAL.

If you are a group of Catholics, liberal or traditionalist, I am willing to speak about this subject. I can present the material on this blog in an orderly way for you to understand quickly what I keep writing about. I available am in Rome ( only Rome) and there is no charge. The information will be given free. It will be illustrated with some graphics and photos.

I am a Catholic and I affirm the teachings of the Catholic Church as I have said often on this blog.

The difference between me and Catholics in general and also the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican,  is that they interpret Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms, Councils etc  irrationally and I am rational.

I choose a rational premise and inference and so my conclusion is traditional.

The presentation could take 20 minutes or less.I will be available to answer questions.I do not have any new theology to offer. I simply avoid an irrational observation and we return to the old theology of the Magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century at the Latin Mass. This would be the general theology today, which is honest and rational, at every Mass and every Rite. It would have to be the lex orandi.

Please e-mail me at : lionelandrades10@gmail.com

p.s I do not have a telephone contact number and do not travel out of Rome.

ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH      SOLAMENTE LA CHIESA CATTOLICA

Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.

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