Ad Gentes 7 can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism

 

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Lionel said :“So you have not been able to cite any text from Quanto Conficiamur Moerore or the Council of Trent which says there are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.”

I have to be honest, I am beginning to wonder if you are being purposefully obtuse. There are two problems with this statement. First, I have never claimed that there are exceptions to EENS, nor does contemporary Church teaching claim that there is. Second, you have failed to show that your interpretation is the traditional interpretation.

“However, visible membership in the Church and water baptism are not necessary to be "inside the Church."

Lionel said:
The Magisterium says it is necessary (Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14), CCC 1257, 845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20, Council of Trent, Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Cantate Dominio Council of Florence 1441 etc).”

Let’s look at those:
Ad Gentes 7: “Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6).”
Lionel:
Feeneyism says every one needs to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, for salvation and there are no exceptions.
Cushingism says every one needs to enter the Church with faith and baptism for salvation but there are exceptions; there are known exceptions, so really every one does not need to enter the Church.

So if you are inferring that Ad Gentes 7 says: “Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6) and these persons ” , are known exceptions, so really every one does not need to enter the Church then this is Cushingism. It is irrational and heresy. It also contadicts the magisterial statements I have cited above.

-Lionel Andrades 

http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/dont-blame-vatican-ii.html#comment-1957527138


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