For the majority of Catholics the Nicene Creed and the EENS has been changed, the Syllabus of Errors rejected, the old ecclesiology based on EENS eliminated so there is no ecumenism of return,there is no more traditional mission since outside the Church there is known salvation
Comment from the blog 1Peter5 : Abp. Pozzo on SSPX: Disputed Vatican II Documents Are Non-DoctrinalChris Ferrara jpaYMCA•18 hours ago
"Finally, Benedict XVI never stated that the issue was solely
On the contrary, that is exactly what he said: "This disciplinary
level needs to be distinguished from the doctrinal level.
The fact that the
Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical
status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary
but on doctrinal reasons...." Letter to Bishops
on Remission of Excommunications (2009).
Finally, to quote the Catholic Encyclopedia re you claim
about communio: "However, not every disobedience is a
schism; in order to possess this character it must
include besides the transgression
of the commands of superiors, denial of their Divine right
SSPX has never denied the divine right of the Pope to
However they will not accept Vatican Council II( Cushingite) as do the popes.So doctrinally they disobey the popes.They also criticize the pastoral results of the popes doctrinal position.
So there is doctrinal disobedience and disobedience over the praxis of the magisterium's doctrinal position.
They also will not interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism nor accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feneyite). So there is doctrinal issue here too.
If they did accept Vatican Council II and EENS without the false premise and conclusion again there would be a doctrinal problem with the Vatican. Since the Vatican's interpretation is heretical and irrational. We have magisterial heresy today.
On the contrary, they acknowledge it explicitly. Their
disobedience respecting the survival of their Society,
so they argue, was motivated by a state of emergency
in the Church. Nor are they under any command today to
disband the Society. Its right to exist is recognized. And
now they have been offered a plan for its canonical
Lionel: The plan includes accepting a heretical and irrational version of Vatican Council II when a traditional version is there.
If they accept the magisterium's version of Vatican Council II they would be affirming heresy.
Moreover, the Vatican actually designated Bishop Fellay
as the tribunal of first instance in an administrative recourse
involving a priest, and the local bishop, obviously on orders
from the Vatican, has declared that the recent ordinations in
Germany incur no penalty.
Lionel: Since they want the SSPX to accept their heretical interpretation of Vatican Council II.They will then be in line with the Left as are the two popes.
As SSPX is not in schism, they can hardly have "broken
communion" with Rome. There is no special category of
"broken communion" short of schism that applies only to
SSPX while the vast majority of Catholics today, who defy
the most basic and infallible teaching on faith and morals,
are considered to be "in communion" with Rome.
Lionel: They 'defy the most basic and infallible teaching on faith and morals, are considered to be "in communion" with Rome'since Rome has eliminated the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in doctrine and praxis. They did this by intterpreting Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents with the new theology.The theology is based on the principle of hypothetical cases being explicit and non hypothetical in the present times. That is imaginary cases are objectively seen and known.So the conclusion is irrational.
So for the vast majority of Catholics the Nicene Creed has been changed, the dogma EENS rejected, the Syllabus of Errors rejected, the old ecclesiology based on EENS has been eliminated and so there is no more an ecumenism of return, is obsolete,there is no more traditional mission since outside the Church there is known salvation....