"Finally, Benedict XVI never stated that the issue was solely
doctrinal..."
doctrinal..."
On the contrary, that is exactly what he said: "This disciplinary
level needs to be distinguished from the doctrinal level.
The fact that the
Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical
status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary
but on doctrinal reasons...." Letter to Bishops
on Remission of Excommunications (2009).
level needs to be distinguished from the doctrinal level.
The fact that the
Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical
status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary
but on doctrinal reasons...." Letter to Bishops
on Remission of Excommunications (2009).
Finally, to quote the Catholic Encyclopedia re you claim
about communio: "However, not every disobedience is a
schism; in order to possess this character it must
include besides the transgression
of the commands of superiors, denial of their Divine right
to command."
about communio: "However, not every disobedience is a
schism; in order to possess this character it must
include besides the transgression
of the commands of superiors, denial of their Divine right
to command."
SSPX has never denied the divine right of the Pope to
command.
command.
Lionel:
However they will not accept Vatican
Council II( Cushingite) as do the
popes.So doctrinally they disobey
the popes.They also criticize the
pastoral results of the popes
doctrinal position.
Council II( Cushingite) as do the
popes.So doctrinally they disobey
the popes.They also criticize the
pastoral results of the popes
doctrinal position.
So there is doctrinal disobedience
and disobedience over the praxis
of the magisterium's doctrinal
position.
and disobedience over the praxis
of the magisterium's doctrinal
position.
They also will not interpret Vatican
Council II with Feeneyism nor
accept the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus ( Feneyite). So there
is doctrinal issue here too.
Council II with Feeneyism nor
accept the dogma extra ecclesiam
nulla salus ( Feneyite). So there
is doctrinal issue here too.
If they did accept Vatican Council II
and EENS without the false
premise and conclusion again there
would be a doctrinal problem
with the Vatican. Since the
Vatican's interpretation is
heretical and irrational. We have
magisterial heresy today.
and EENS without the false
premise and conclusion again there
would be a doctrinal problem
with the Vatican. Since the
Vatican's interpretation is
heretical and irrational. We have
magisterial heresy today.
______________________________
On the contrary, they acknowledge it explicitly. Their
disobedience respecting the survival of their Society,
so they argue, was motivated by a state of emergency
in the Church. Nor are they under any command today to
disband the Society. Its right to exist is recognized. And
now they have been offered a plan for its canonical
regularization.
disobedience respecting the survival of their Society,
so they argue, was motivated by a state of emergency
in the Church. Nor are they under any command today to
disband the Society. Its right to exist is recognized. And
now they have been offered a plan for its canonical
regularization.
Lionel: The plan includes accepting
a heretical and irrational version
of Vatican Council II when a
traditional version is there.
a heretical and irrational version
of Vatican Council II when a
traditional version is there.
If they accept the magisterium's
version of Vatican Council II
they would be affirming heresy.
version of Vatican Council II
they would be affirming heresy.
_______________________________
Moreover, the Vatican actually designated Bishop Fellay
as the tribunal of first instance in an administrative recourse
involving a priest, and the local bishop, obviously on orders
from the Vatican, has declared that the recent ordinations in
Germany incur no penalty.
as the tribunal of first instance in an administrative recourse
involving a priest, and the local bishop, obviously on orders
from the Vatican, has declared that the recent ordinations in
Germany incur no penalty.
Lionel: Since they want the SSPX
to accept their heretical
interpretation of Vatican Council
II.They will then be in line with
the Left as are the two popes.
to accept their heretical
interpretation of Vatican Council
II.They will then be in line with
the Left as are the two popes.
_____________________________
As SSPX is not in schism, they can hardly have "broken
communion" with Rome. There is no special category of
"broken communion" short of schism that applies only to
SSPX while the vast majority of Catholics today, who defy
the most basic and infallible teaching on faith and morals,
are considered to be "in communion" with Rome.
communion" with Rome. There is no special category of
"broken communion" short of schism that applies only to
SSPX while the vast majority of Catholics today, who defy
the most basic and infallible teaching on faith and morals,
are considered to be "in communion" with Rome.
Lionel: They 'defy the most basic
and infallible teaching on faith
and morals, are considered
to be "in communion" with
Rome' since Rome has
eliminated the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus in
doctrine and praxis. They
did this by intterpreting Vatican
Council II and other magisterial
documents with the new
theology.The theology is based
on the principle of hypothetical
cases being explicit and non
hypothetical in the present times.
That is imaginary cases are
objectively seen and known.So the
conclusion is irrational.
and infallible teaching on faith
and morals, are considered
to be "in communion" with
Rome' since Rome has
eliminated the dogma extra
ecclesiam nulla salus in
doctrine and praxis. They
did this by intterpreting Vatican
Council II and other magisterial
documents with the new
theology.The theology is based
on the principle of hypothetical
cases being explicit and non
hypothetical in the present times.
That is imaginary cases are
objectively seen and known.So the
conclusion is irrational.
So for the vast majority of
Catholics the Nicene Creed
has been changed, the dogma EENS
rejected, the Syllabus of Errors
rejected, the old ecclesiology based
on EENS has been eliminated and so
there is no more an ecumenism of
return, is obsolete,there is
no more traditional mission since
outside the Church there
is known salvation....
Catholics the Nicene Creed
has been changed, the dogma EENS
rejected, the Syllabus of Errors
rejected, the old ecclesiology based
on EENS has been eliminated and so
there is no more an ecumenism of
return, is obsolete,there is
no more traditional mission since
outside the Church there
is known salvation....
- Lionel Andrades
http://www.onepeterfive.com/abp-pozzo-on-sspx-disputed-vatican-ii-documents-are-non-doctrinal/
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