JUNE 23, 2019
St.Benedict Center files canonical petition : two points of L.A need to be mentioned
The St.Benedict Center has filed a canonical petition with the bishop in the Diocese of Manchester and the ecclesiastics at the Vatican.
The ecclesiastics whom they have petitioned believe :-
TWO POINTS/ TWO QUESTIONS
1. Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So they would accept a new version of EENS with BOD,BOB and I.I being literal exceptions.
2.Unknown and physically invisible cases of being saved mentioned in Vatican Council II ( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 NA 2, GS 22 etc) are also personally known examples of salvation outside the Church in 2019 and they are exceptions to 16th century EENS, they contradict the Magisterium and missionaries of that time.
For Fr. Leonard Feeney there were no literal cases of the baptism of desire etc.They could also only be hypothetical for the popes over the centuries before Pius XII.So for him there would be no literal exceptions to the dogma EENS, mentioned in Vatican Council II.
Fr. George de Laire, canonical vicar of the diocese of Manchester wants the SBC to accept the above two irrational points and so say that there are non Catholics in Heaven and that every one in Heaven is not Catholic.
For me unlike the ecclesiastics at the Vatican there are no exceptions to EENS. BOD,BOB and I.I do not contradict Feeneyite EENS and so the Holy Office (CDF) 1949 made an objective mistake. Similarly Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS and Ad Gentes 7 states all need faith and baptism for salvation,supporting EENS.
In their canonical petition they could mention my interpretation :-
TWO POINTS/ TWO QUESTIONS
TWO POINTS/ TWO QUESTIONS
1. Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are NOT personally known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So I would REJECT a new version of EENS with BOD,BOB and I.I being literal exceptions.
2.Unknown and physically invisible cases of being saved mentioned in Vatican Council II ( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 NA 2, GS 22 etc) are also NOT personally known examples of salvation outside the Church in 2019 and so they are NOT exceptions to 16th century EENS, they do NOT contradict the Magisterium and missionaries of that time.
-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 22, 2019
NOVEMBER 3, 2014
The SSPX must respond to Bishop Semeraro by citing Catholic doctrine on Vatican Council II which supports their position
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-sspx-must-respond-to-bishop.html
NOVEMBER 5, 2009
BOSTON ARCHDIOCESE STILL REJECTS VATICAN COUNCIL II https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2009/11/boston-archdiocese-still-rejects.html
BOSTON ARCHDIOCESE STILL REJECTS VATICAN COUNCIL II https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2009/11/boston-archdiocese-still-rejects.html
FEBRUARY 27, 2014
There must have been a leftist storm over Archbold's report https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2014/02/there-must-have-been-leftist-storm-over.html
OCTOBER 20, 2017
SSPX has a right to canonical status when they correct their doctrinal error in the 'chart' https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/10/sspx-has-right-to-canonical-status-when.html
OCTOBER 28, 2014
Pope Benedict XVI and the Bishop of Albano made a doctrinal errror with reference to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 , Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257-1260 and an irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II
JULY 3, 2016
Peter Vere refers to the interpretation of the Church Councils, popes and saints including St.Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine as being 'restrictive'https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/07/peter-vere-refers-to-interpretation-of.html
OCTOBER 7, 2017
SSPX canonical recognition is assured : Vatican Council II (premise-free) is no more an issue
NOVEMBER 10, 2017
No clarification or response from Bishop Robert J.McManus or Brother Thomas Augustine MICM on Catholic doctrine : how did they interpret Vatican Council II and EENS?
OCTOBER 7, 2017
SSPX must re-open negotiations for canonical status : cite new doctrinal references and explanations on this blog
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/10/sspx-must-re-open-negotiations-for.html
Vatican needs to apologise for the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/vatican-cdfecclesia-dei-needs-to.html
NOVEMBER 4, 2017
Formal recognition of traditionalist community in Worcester,Massachusetts opens new doctrinal path for SSPX canonical status
NOVEMBER 4, 2017
Breakthrough - Slaves recognised by Bishop Robert J.McManus : all Catholic religious communities can now affirm EENS with BOD, BOB and I.I not being exceptions
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/breakthrough-slaves-recognised-by.html
SEPTEMBER 2, 2016
Cardinal Burke, Cardinal Sarah and the FSSP priests offer Holy Mass ad orientem and assume LG 16 refers to visible cases in 2016. This is irrational. It's inference and conclusion is non traditional.It creates the hermeneutic of rupture with the past
MARCH 19, 2010
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN ACCORD WITH THE DOGMA
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WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15, 2015
Questions and Answers
Exclusivist ecclesiology? The new theology is based on being able to see the dead. Remove the premise, which is, "I can see the dead on earth".We then have the old ecclesiology, the exclusivist ecclesiology. The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is exclusivist. Since it affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. We are left with the old ecclesiology.
Who agrees with you? Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
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what premise ? The irrational premise is "The dead are visible to us on earth".
What inference/ conclusion ?The inference is since the dead are visible to us on earth, those who are saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance being explicit ( visible in the flesh) become exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So it is concluded that Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So it is concluded that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition, it has the hermeneutic of rupture.
What theology ? The post -1949 theology says every one needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire.Since it assumes that defacto( in fact in the present times,explicitly) there are known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.So it is a theology which assumes there is salvation outside the Church even though we cannot know of any one saved without 'faith and baptism'.
What Tradition? Pre- 1949 Catholic Tradition, on salvation ( soteriology) says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. The three dogmas on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,defined by three Church Councils, do not mention any exception. The text also does not mention the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance.I am referring to Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc.Also Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent mention implicit desire etc but do not state that these cases are known to us, to be exceptions to the dogma.Neither do they state that there are exceptions to the dogma.Yet with the false premise and inference is how the Council of Trent, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc are interpreted.
Do you accept the baptism of desire?Yes. I believe a Catechuman who has an implicit desire for the baptism of water and dies before he receives it can be saved. Since God will provide the means for him to receive the baptism of water. It has been the experience of saints, including St. Francis Xavier that some people returned from the dead only to be baptised by them with the baptism of water.
Irrational premise, Irrational inference, Non traditional conclusion The secular media uses an irrational premise which is "We can see the dead who are now in Heaven, we can physically see them in Heaven and on earth". They then make an irrational inference which is " Since we can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and formal entry into the Church, there is known salvation outside the Church and these cases are an explicit exception to the traditional interpretation of EENS." Their conclusion is : Vatican Council II is a break with EENS.
I accept the Magisterium
'For me the magisterial teaching of the Church documents (and not the contemporary magisterium i.e the persons in power) support the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( AG 7,LG 14, CCC 1257,845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20 etc).
I accept the Magisterium ( Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14), CCC 1257, 845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20, Council of Trent,Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Cantate Dominio Council of Florence 1441 etc).Magisterium, Scripture and Tradition, before and after Vatican Council II support Fr.Leonard Feeney and the four Catholic professors of theology, who were expelled by Boston College. http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/dont-blame-vatican-ii.html#comment-1943178630
Exclusivist ecclesiology? The new theology is based on being able to see the dead. Remove the premise, which is, "I can see the dead on earth".We then have the old ecclesiology, the exclusivist ecclesiology. The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is exclusivist. Since it affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. We are left with the old ecclesiology.
Who agrees with you? Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html
Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigion http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links
DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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