In this video Tim Staples of Catholic Answers in response to a comment does not say that Vatican Council II supports the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). He does not say that the Council supports the past exclusive ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.
Why not ?
Since Lumen Gentium( LG 8,LG 14, LG 16) refers to visible and known non Catholics saved outside the Church for him.So the dogma EENS is made obsolete.For him the Council rejects EENS and the doctrines related to EENS.
There is no more an EENS( Feeneyite) for him but an EENS ( Cushingite) in which BOD, BOB and I.I 1 are visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.
There is no more an EENS( Feeneyite) for him but an EENS ( Cushingite) in which BOD, BOB and I.I 1 are visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church.
It is with this irrationality that the speakers of the Catholic Answers National Convention will interpret Vatican Council II this month.
Later in this video Staples cites Lumen Gentium 14 as an exception to the dogma EENS.
He says "there is no essential change in dogma"(4:47) when really he has rejected EENS and the Athanasius Creed and changed the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creeds.With BOD, BOB and I.I being exceptions to EENS, the dogma EENS has been changed.
He says(4:53)' in fact Vatican Council II has affirmed in Lumen Gentium 14 that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church" ,and then he goes on to contradict himself and mentions (4:57), " however we understand that people outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church(an be saved or are saved/ there is salvation) through invincible ignorance(6:09) of the person, who is not responsible for being wherever he is etc... then there is that possibility of salvation"(outside the Church).Then he adds that 'none of this is heretical'.
He has rejected the dogma EENS, he has rejeced the Athanasius Creed, he has rejected the Catechism of Pope Pius X on EENS etc and has interpreted invincible ignornance as an exception to EENS and says none of this is heretical.
He has cited a pope on invincible ignorance, as if that popes knew of non Catholics saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and so invincible ignorance is a known exception to EENS.He assumes the popes are also heretical and irrational like him.
Then he suggests that Jesus also mentions exceptions to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation(John 3:5). He goes on to interpret passages in the Bible contradicting John 3:5 and Mark 16:16, which are the basis for the teaching on no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
He calls this 'a development' that goes all the way back to Jesus Christ i.e unknown cases of being saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation( AG 7, Vatican Council II).
He criticizes modernism and then does not cite Vatican Council II to affirm the strict interpretation of EENS.This is not modernism for him.
He does not say that when Lumen Gentium 8 refers to the true Church of Christ subsisting in the Catholic Church it means there is no known salvation outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church to contradict EENS.
When Pope Pius IX (5:08) mentioned the possibility of salvation outside the Church, he did not project it as an exception to the traditional 'rigorist' interpretation of EENS. Since a possibility refers to an unknown and hypothetical case only. It is speculative and in the mind only.Tim Staple has projected a possibility as an exception to EENS, the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return, the Syllabus of Errors, Jesus teaching in John 3:5 etc.
St. Justin Martyr to whom Tim Staples refers to, in the second century , affirmed the strict interpretation of EENS.
So the bottom line is that Vatican Council II supports the strict interpretation of EENS in Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation) and there are no exceptions to AG 7 or EENS mentioned in Lumen Gentium. Tim Staples and Catholic Answers do not affirm this.-Lionel Andrades
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BOD(baptism of desire), BOB(baptism of blood) and I.I (invincible ignorance)
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SEPTEMBER 10, 2019
According to Canon Law Bishop Frank Caggiano has no right to be a bishop since he rejects the Athanasius Creed, changes the Nicene and Apostles Creed,interprets Vatican Council II and the Catechisms as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the Syllabus of Errors and the Oath Against Modernism - all done with an irrational premise to contradict Magisterial documents
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/according-to-canon-law-bishop-frank.html
AUGUST 31, 2019
When I say there is a schism from the Left I am identifying a reality which can be corrected.It is not permanent.The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) can make an announcement and correct the common mistake
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/when-i-say-there-is-schism-from-left-i.html
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