So when Pope Francis interprets Magisterial Documents (Creeds, Catechisms, and Councils) rationally he has to become traditional and conservative.Now he is heretical and schismatic.

 

I appreciate what Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano wrote on the eve of the feast of St.Peter and St Paul. He said that Pope Francis and the DDF are in heresy and schism. I agree with him. But he needs to change his approach. Since now we have new information on Vatican Council II. All traditionalists and conservatives must present their view differently.They must present the facts which are now available unlike in 1965.

The discovery over some 15 years back is this :-

1. LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only. They refer to invisible cases in 1965-2024.

2. For the popes from Paul VI to Francis they were visible cases. Visible people! Only in this way they could avoid being Feeneyite on extra ecclesiam nullas salus (EENS).So the popes and the CDF were  irrational to avoid affirming Feeneyite EENS as it was done by the Magisterium over the centuries.

3. Since LG 8 etc refer to invisible cases, Vatican Council II is not a rupture with Tradition. With Ad Gentes 7( all need faith and baptism for salvation), there is a hermeneutic of continuity with the Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Errors etc. Meanwhile LG 8 etc are not exceptions for Ad Gentes 7 and the dogma EENS.

So Ad Gentes 7 supports the three Church Councils which defined the dogma EENS. It supports the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation.

4.Vatican Council II can  now no more be cited as a break with Tradition. The claim cannot be made that if Vatican Council II is a revolution in the Church, faith and morals and everything else can be changed.The Council is traditional. 

So Archbishop Vigano must put these facts on the table and ask the DDF to clarify their position.

The DDF will have to choose the rational interpretation of Vatican Council II or reject the Council altogether.

With the rational interpretation of Vatican Council II, the DDF automatically returns to Tradition. The DDF and Archbishop Vigano would now be on the same side. The liberals who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally will be in schism and heresy. They will be outside the Church, doctrinally and according to the old theology.

We now have concrete facts.

a.The DDF/CDF/Holy Office made an error in the 1949 LOHO. 

b.They repeated it at Vatican Council II (1965).

c.They repeated it in a Letter to Brother Andre Marie micm, at the St. Benedict Center in New Hampshire,USA. Archbishop Augustine di Noia, Secretary of the CDF interpreted CCC 847-848 (invincible ignorance etc) irrationally and then projected it as a practical exception for EENS, as held by the St. Benedict Centers.

So when Pope Francis interprets Magisterial Documents (Creeds, Catechisms, and Councils) rationally he has to become traditional and conservative.Now he is heretical and schismatic. - Lionel Andrades